Harley Quinn & Arthur"s Final Joker 2 Scene Theory Gets A Definitive Answer From Folie à Deux"s Director

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Warning: This article contains SPOILERS for Joker: Folie à DeuxOne key scene in Joker: Folie à Deux"s controversial ending has been broken down by director Todd Phillips, confirming whether it played out in the twisted imagination of Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix). In the final moments of the DC sequel, after the courtroom explosion interrupts his trial, Arthur flees, reuniting with Lady Gaga"s Harley on the now-iconic steps outside his old apartment building.
Speaking to EW, Phillips broke down key aspects of Joker: Folie à Deux"s ending, crucially explaining why Harley Quinn turns her back on Arthur when they meet. He also confirms that, despite rampant theories about which parts of the movie are actually real, that sequence is set in reality. Here"s the important extract from the piece on the ending:

"[She"s] realizing, I’m on a whole other trip, man, you can’t be what I wanted you to be," he explains. Phillips also confirms that, while boasting a dreamlike quality, the final exchange between Lee and Arthur is "actually, really happening" and isn"t an imagined interaction like Arthur"s fake romance with Sophie (Zazie Beetz) in the prior installment.

What Todd Phillips' Explanation Of Joker: Folie à Deux's Final Harley Quinn Scene Means Sometimes The Most Straightforward Answer Is The Best One

Image via Warner Bros. One interpretation of Joker: Folie à Deux"s ending suggests that Arthur imagines the scene as part of his cathartic rejection of the Joker identity, realizing in, Phillips" own words that he needs "to burn it all down". Phillips explained to EW that Arthur has an epiphany over his own pointless endeavor:

"...he’s accepted the fact that he’s always been Arthur Fleck; he’s never been this thing that’s been put upon him, this idea that Gotham people put on him, that he represents."

That fits with the suggestion that Arthur might have imagined his final interaction with Harley, since she is his most direct connection with his followers on Gotham"s streets. Crucially, Joker: Folie à Deux drops visual hints about which scenes are imaginary, typically showing Harley in full make-up. The stairway scene also shows her in make-up after she cuts her hair and adopts a new look, offering further questions over its status.

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